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Goku SSJ God(EOGT) vs SSJ4 Gogeta
Topic Started: Dec 16 2014, 02:39 AM (1,557 Views)
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Dec 17 2014, 12:20 PM
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Dec 17 2014, 12:15 PM
It does say that, I remember that... but it wasn't enough to completely destroy him. It seems the rules for killing Omega is the same as Boo, one needs to be much more powerful then either of them to completely destroy them for good, because had that attack been enough to defeat him, it would have done it.

Either the person who delivers the attack needs to be much more powerful.

Or just the attacks amp needs to be stronger than the opponent.
Just to be clear, it says Omega is dozens of times stronger than the SSJ4s?

As for Omega and Buu you can unleash an attack strong enough to destroy them but to truly kill them you need a massively stronger attack that obliterates them.
Gogeta is several dozens of times stronger than a Super Saiyan 4. I don't think it says anything about Yi Xing Long in that regard.
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How the hell did I miss that... I thought it was about Super Yi Xing Long, oh well.

But if Gogeta is several dozens times stronger than SS4, shouldn't Super Yi Xing Long be somewhere close to that?
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That would depend on how much you value his durability and persistence since he survived a Big Bang Kamehameha from Gogeta.
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Very true, I do have his durability pretty high because he survived the attack, but since the attack was enough to remove the Dragon Balls from him, but I'm not sure if he was weakened on top of the DB's leaving him...

What do you think?
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I don't know. It's a tougher case. I'd have to watch the last couple of episodes to get a decent response, and I don't really have the time to watch GT right now.
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It's all good, I plan on watching them in a little bit. I do agree with you though... it is a tough case, and when not having fresh eyes on it, it can be difficult to see what's really going on.

Edit: Okay... just watched the end and the conversations covering it.

Episode: 60, time: 17:23.
Context: After the Dragon Balls have left Yi Xing Long, and everyone realizing he still survived.
Yi Xing Long: I haven't kicked the bucket yet!
Gogeta: You're a persistent one, huh? But no matter how much you struggle, it's no use! With this next blast, you're going to be obliterated for sure!

Time: 18:34.
Context: Yi Xing Long taunts Son Goku and Vegeta on their situation about Fusion.
Yi Xing Long: I know how you feel! You were so close to winning, huh? Luck just isn't on your side!
Vegeta: You know how we feel? You're a fine one to talk! You're the one who's all worn out!
Son Goku: And I can beat you now all on my own!
Yi Xing Long: I wouldn't be too sure about that!
Then he reabsorbs all but the Four Star Dragon Ball.

And that's it.
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Dec 17 2014, 07:23 AM
The GT Perfect Files. It states he's "several dozen times stronger than a Super Saiyan 4." The definition would make that number at least 24xhttp://dictionary.reference.com/browse/several?s=t, but not likely more than 96-108x (though that's just my opinion of what "many" (the superior number quantifier) would mean).
I've never seen that stated anywhere but after doing some searching I found a Herms quote on Kanzenshuu stating that such a quote exists. That's interesting. I've read Herms' GT Perfect Files thread many times but don't remember ever hearing about such a quote before.

Agreed. If he was over 100x it'd probably say "a hundred times" or "hundreds of times."
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Dec 17 2014, 01:20 PM
It's all good, I plan on watching them in a little bit. I do agree with you though... it is a tough case, and when not having fresh eyes on it, it can be difficult to see what's really going on.

Edit: Okay... just watched the end and the conversations covering it.

Episode: 60, time: 17:23.
Context: After the Dragon Balls have left Yi Xing Long, and everyone realizing he still survived.
Yi Xing Long: I haven't kicked the bucket yet!
Gogeta: You're a persistent one, huh? But no matter how much you struggle, it's no use! With this next blast, you're going to be obliterated for sure!

Time: 18:34.
Context: Yi Xing Long taunts Son Goku and Vegeta on their situation about Fusion.
Yi Xing Long: I know how you feel! You were so close to winning, huh? Luck just isn't on your side!
Vegeta: You know how we feel? You're a fine one to talk! You're the one who's all worn out!
Son Goku: And I can beat you now all on my own!
Yi Xing Long: I wouldn't be too sure about that!
Then he reabsorbs all but the Four Star Dragon Ball.

And that's it.

So do you think Yi was just weakened enough that another Big Bang Kamehameha would've finished him off, or that Gogeta was going to put more effort into his next one that would definitely overcome Yi's durability?
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Dec 18 2014, 08:17 AM
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Dec 17 2014, 07:23 AM
The GT Perfect Files. It states he's "several dozen times stronger than a Super Saiyan 4." The definition would make that number at least 24xhttp://dictionary.reference.com/browse/several?s=t, but not likely more than 96-108x (though that's just my opinion of what "many" (the superior number quantifier) would mean).
I've never seen that stated anywhere but after doing some searching I found a Herms quote on Kanzenshuu stating that such a quote exists. That's interesting. I've read Herms' GT Perfect Files thread many times but don't remember ever hearing about such a quote before.

Agreed. If he was over 100x it'd probably say "a hundred times" or "hundreds of times."

What do you make of the gaps between SL Super Saiyan 4 Goku, Super Yi Xing Long, and Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta?
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Dec 18 2014, 08:30 AM
What do you make of the gaps between SL Super Saiyan 4 Goku, Super Yi Xing Long, and Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta?
I go with something like this in light of that statement, personally:

SSj4 Vegeta - 128
SSj4 Goku - 128

SSj4 Goku (SL) - 720
SSj4 Vegeta (Bruits Waves) - 720

Yi Xing Long - 480
Super Yi Xing Long - 4,800

SSj4 Gogeta - 12,500
SSj4 Gogeta (BL) - 70,000

The narrator states that Yi Xing Long is in a different league than all the previous opponents up until now, which should include Super 17 after eating a 10x Kamehameha.

Super Yi Xing Long states he's ten times more powerful than before at the very least.

Vegeta still had confidence that regular SSj4 Gogeta would defeat that guy even if the fusion takes place after he and Son lose their Beyond Limits power-ups.
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You don't think Goku got 10x stronger with his limits surpassed?
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It's all good, I plan on watching them in a little bit. I do agree with you though... it is a tough case, and when not having fresh eyes on it, it can be difficult to see what's really going on.

Edit: Okay... just watched the end and the conversations covering it.

Episode: 60, time: 17:23.
Context: After the Dragon Balls have left Yi Xing Long, and everyone realizing he still survived.
Yi Xing Long: I haven't kicked the bucket yet!
Gogeta: You're a persistent one, huh? But no matter how much you struggle, it's no use! With this next blast, you're going to be obliterated for sure!

Time: 18:34.
Context: Yi Xing Long taunts Son Goku and Vegeta on their situation about Fusion.
Yi Xing Long: I know how you feel! You were so close to winning, huh? Luck just isn't on your side!
Vegeta: You know how we feel? You're a fine one to talk! You're the one who's all worn out!
Son Goku: And I can beat you now all on my own!
Yi Xing Long: I wouldn't be too sure about that!
Then he reabsorbs all but the Four Star Dragon Ball.

And that's it.

So do you think Yi was just weakened enough that another Big Bang Kamehameha would've finished him off, or that Gogeta was going to put more effort into his next one that would definitely overcome Yi's durability?
I think Gogeta would have just put fourth more effort and completely destroyed him with the next one. Personally, I believe that he didn't just lose all the Dragon Balls, but I think Gogeta's attack also weakened him on top of all that, to the point where the roles would have been reversed... Kakarrot and Vegeta would have been having fun taking turns beating him down instead of getting their butts handed to them.
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